Well...

Dec 07, 2014,17:10 PM
 

if you're that interested in something that would bore anyone but me...

It's clear that the indices are friction fit to the dials very precisely- their tolerance on the 2 small
pins that locate them to the dial are marked (0, -0.02), meaning the shafts must be 0.25 mm, and
no bigger, but may be smaller than that by 0.02 mm. That is the distance of minimum endshake
on most balance staffs, for example. A small amount, but of course, there are smaller tolerances
in watchmaking.

Jewels must be made completely concentric and are toleranced often in the 0.001 mm range,
but this is expected given that they are fit to holes through fiction fitting, and 0.01 mm is required
in your mainplates for this. Tolerances in 0.001 range assure a relative consistency in fit for
mass produced jewels.

What is interesting is the dial indice shafts have such a small size, 0.25 mm, and must protrude
exactly 90 degrees from the indice, perfectly parallel, despite the print calling out for areas on
sides needing diamond polishing. Just holding those indices requires grabbing them by those
pins, and the slightest overpressure would distort them, making fitting impossible.

That's what impresses me so much. I cannot tell if the pins are machined in one block with the
indice, or are fitted into them. Either way, it would be difficult to image keeping the polish and
pin fit consistent considering all this. Throw in electroplating adding material over these, and
you really have to know exactly how long to leave parts in a bath, before the pins get too big,
and won't fit into the dials.

There is a LOT going on here- more than I probably realize. Special jigs and clamping pressures
would be just the start of keeping the dimensional tolerances called for. I imagine they have a
special department just for jig and machine maintainance- the slightest wear on the equipment
would mean distorted pins, bad polish, and bad fit, especially for so many indices for so many brands.

To even make that 0.38 mm square bottomed channel in the Zenith indices must require specialized
micro endmills. Special tooling suppliers with special tooling to make said special endmills would
be needed, tooling not normally commercially available.

Really a deep and inside look at something I never expected companies to allow outsiders to see.

Bravo for bringing us this.

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PoT 2014: Visit at dial-maker Fehr & Cie S.A., La Chaux-de-Fonds (iii)

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 7th, 2014-09:35
Ahhh! We already know you were impatiently awaiting this kind of stuff! Those of you that gave us the honour of reading the first and second parts of our report ( click here! ), certainly have discovered a great number of fascinating and surprising detail...  

PoT 2014: Visit at dial-maker Fehr & Cie S.A., La Chaux-de-Fonds (iv)

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 2nd, 2014-04:17
We already noted that Fehr & Cie is a fully integrated dial-maker. This implies that they dispose of all necessary capabilities, in terms of expertise and technical equipment, needed to accomplish all steps involved. No wonder they have reserved a ded...  

Great series of posts, Magnus! :)

 
 By: blomman Mr Blue : December 7th, 2014-11:19
Very interesting. Thank you for bringing us along into the Manufacture! :) Best Blomman

It's a pleasure, Blomman!

 
 By: heartbreaker : December 9th, 2014-10:25
When we've taken those pictures, it was indeed not only for our personal pleasure, but also to share with you our experience. Glad to read you've appreciated our posts! Ciao, Elio

Thanks timerider! [nt]

 
 By: heartbreaker : December 9th, 2014-10:26

Wonderful article

 
 By: Ophiuchus : December 7th, 2014-12:44
I have always wondered what place makes the smallest details such as these indices. I am in awe of the sheer multitude of details this company must handle in such small pieces. As a watchmaker and machinist too, I appreciate them allowing even a blueprint... 

I would be *really* interested to read your judgement...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 7th, 2014-14:55
on the tolerances and the level of sophistication that goes into this processes - from a watchmaker's perspective! Cheers, Magnus

Well...

 
 By: Ophiuchus : December 7th, 2014-17:10
if you're that interested in something that would bore anyone but me... It's clear that the indices are friction fit to the dials very precisely- their tolerance on the 2 small pins that locate them to the dial are marked (0, -0.02), meaning the shafts mu... 

Thank for your eyeopening words, Ophiuchus!

 
 By: heartbreaker : December 9th, 2014-10:42
I love those kind of technical drawings and I've immediately taken pictures of them, when I've had this opportunity in Fehr, as well as in Hublot and in Zenith. And I've particularly appreciated your comments, because they reveal so much of the many diffi... 

Oh my

 
 By: Ophiuchus : December 9th, 2014-17:41
I am no one special, just a man trained as a watchmaker and a machinist. Surely there are many other PuristS, such as Mr. Corson, also so, and much more skilled than I that could have given an even deeper view on the subject than I ever could. But thank y... 

great report, thanks

 
 By: Bruno.M1 : December 7th, 2014-12:34
I visited a dial manufacture too and it was a great experience but I wonder..... are some dials still painted by hand or are it always prints? I know the cheapest are even stickers

What I heart is that enamel dials as well as dials with bold lumina...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 7th, 2014-14:22
are still painted by hand - to some extend. Other than that, I think this would be too expensive and people would likely wonder about variations... Best, Magnus

About the application of luminous material...

 
 By: heartbreaker : December 9th, 2014-10:53
I've recently had to study a bit how luminous materials may be applied on dials and I've found this explanation on the RC Tritec's website (the Company that produces the famous "Swiss Super-LumiNova®"): Application Tooling Luminous pigments are mixed with...  

Thanks for the flowers, just want to note this a collaborative effort...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : December 7th, 2014-14:20
between Elio Pascucci (heartbreaker) and myself. Elio together with me drafted the text, images are marked according author. It was (and further on will be with the Zenith factory reports) a great experience to draft this together - in a true PuristS mann... 

- A true Purist manner - WOW!!!

 
 By: heartbreaker : December 9th, 2014-10:57
Thank you Magnus: now my room is full of flowers ;-) I'm looking for the next PoT: my [new] camera and my pen are ready to start ;-) Ciao, Elio

Fascinating! Thank you Magnus.

 
 By: Sandgroper : December 7th, 2014-17:22
Cheers Francois

Yes, I think "fascinating" is the right word!

 
 By: heartbreaker : December 9th, 2014-11:00
You're right, François: as we've already written, the Fehr Factory visit was highly interesting and fascinating. Thank you, Elio